Celebrity chef Pete Evans has suggested that “hugging” and “self-love” could be “the best vaccine in the world” during an interview with an anti-vaxxer political candidate.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge spoke candidly with Allona Lahn, a Sunshine Coast candidate in the Queensland state election for the Informed Medical Options Party, in a controversial interview last week.

Ms Lahn’s is a self-described “natural health advocate and freedom of choice ambassador” who believes “it is time to investigate Australia’s mass drugging agenda with vaccination and fluoride being first and foremost,” as per her website.

The pair discussed a wide range of controversial topics, including COVID-19, vaccination, home schooling and politics. 

He kicked off the interview by sharing an experience he had while walking his dog, saying that along his trek, he saw a mobile vet van that advertised microchipping and vaccinations.

“It’s so fascinating when you see it’s right in our faces,” he said.

“They talk about ‘microchipping will never happen’ (but) they’re doing it to our pets.”

The two also openly discussed the “insanity” surrounding a potential COVID-19 vaccine. 

Evans went on to claim that he had spoken with “so many experts around the world” who told him the coronavirus crisis was over.

“If people want to have a vaccine then so be it. That’s their prerogative, it’s their choice,” he said.

“And if other people don’t want to have a vaccine then that’s their choice too.

“The insanity about a COVID-19 vaccine, I mean, I’ve spoke with so many experts from around the world — they’re all basically saying it’s gone now, it’s done, it’s finished.

“Anybody that doesn’t believe that it’s finished is insane or they have an agenda, because next year another virus or another form of whatever it will be will travel the world again.

“It won’t be COVID-19, they’ll make up some other f…ing name, excuse my language.

“I’ve heard that they’re calling it COVID-21 next.”

Ms Lahn told the chef that his theories “resonated with her”.

Evans also took aim at Australian political leaders such as Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews, saying the political system was “crumbling under its own weight”.

“The system is corrupt. Every single which way you look at it.”

He also highlighted the ICAC hearings in New South Wales, and used the turmoil surrounding the Victorian government as an argument – saying politics in general is “a” and saying “they are clowns without a ringleader”.

“They’re actors on a stage, and very bad ones at that. They don’t even know their lines.”

The TV star also went on to say that politicians and public figures such as billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates are not the vaccination experts they claim to be.

“Maybe these experts know that there are other options out there rather than mandatory vaccines,” he said.

“Maybe sunlight could be the best vaccine in the world. Maybe good nutrition could be the best vaccine in the world.

“Maybe self-love, maybe hugging and connecting to other human beings and looking at different points of view could be the best vaccine in the world for our community moving forward.”

This article originally appeared on Over60.