A World Health Organisation (WHO) doctor claimed on the Today show that reports WHO had backflipped on lockdowns are wrong.

However, the new advice she gave the Today show left co-hosts Alison Langdon and Karl Stefanovic more confused than ever.

On the weekend, another doctor from WHO, Dr David Nabaro, said that world leaders should “stop using lockdowns as your primary control method” of the coronavirus pandemic.

He also claimed that the only thing lockdowns achieved was poverty without mentioning the potential lives saved.

Dr Margaret Harris appeared on the Today show to try and clear things up.

She explained that the comments Dr Nabaro gave were “misreported” by the world’s media.

“It is not a backflip, it is not a change in advice,” she said. “What it is a bit of misreporting that has gone on, on the weekend.

“What those reports are based on were a conversation our special envoy, Dr David Nabaro had about the role of lockdowns.

“Lockdowns are basically mass quarantines and governments have got to the stage where they have huge transmission going on and is it not clear exactly where the chains of transmission are, it is a thing that governments have resorted to.

“But right from the start we have said what we would really like to see is a strong tracking, tracing, the community hand washing, mask wearing so that you don’t have to go into lockdown.

“Now a lot of countries have had to go to lockdown but we say do all of the other things to avoid going there, because the economic and social costs are very high.”

Stefanovic asked whether or not Queensland should have its borders closed, given there are no active coronavirus cases in the area.

“This is something that different authorities make different decisions about and we as the WHO don’t come in and boss around individual countries,” she said. 

“We trust different countries to look at what works in their society. What isn’t working in their society and what will be the best way to prevent transmission.”

Stefanovic wasn't happy with that answer and said it was “slightly soft”.

“Well, what we really say is do it all,” she responded. “We say don’t just do one thing. Don’t just rely on your border closure or your mass quarantine, do absolutely everything you can because where we are seeing a failure or we are seeing a rise in cases people have focused just one thing and this is again where lockdowns can be problematic.

“When people come out of lockdowns they think, ‘OK, it is over, we don’t have to do all of the other things any more’ and in fact it is all the other things that really work.”

He then asked her whether Australia should open its borders to the rest of the world.

“What we are seeing that really works is strong quarantine and strong monitoring at borders,” she said. “So if you are looking at, really following everybody who comes in, really putting them in quarantine, really putting them in quarantine, really making sure that happens, then we are certainly seeing that is what prevents transmission.”

In order to get some clarification, Karl asked whether this means we should open the borders but still enforce a two-week quarantine once people arrive.

“So what we are saying is exactly, manage your borders. No whether it is open or closed but really, really manage your borders,” Dr Harris said.

Both Today hosts were visibly muddled by this point. Stefanovic finished the interview by saying “I’m so confused”.

The confusing interview comes after comments from Dr Nabarro, saying that the WHO does not “advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus”.

“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it,” he said.

He urged world leaders to look at the global impact and see how poorer economies have been impacted by the shutdowns.

“Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world. … Look what’s happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition.”

“And so, we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method. Develop better systems for doing it. Work together and learn from each other.”

This article originally appeared on Over60.